1 00:00:10,040 --> 00:00:12,080 (STRONG WIND BLOWS) 2 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,200 (SCREECHING BIRD CALL) 3 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,880 That's not fair. Come on. 4 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:33,960 You said yesterday. That's not my fault. 5 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,040 Come on you lot, chop chop. Chop chop! Chop chop! 6 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:38,720 Anyone seen my overalls? 7 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:40,640 There's some clean ones in the back, love. 8 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:41,880 Oh, thanks. 9 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,920 Andy, Josh, it's ten past. 10 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,480 (TRAFFIC REPORT ON RADIO) 11 00:00:45,480 --> 00:00:47,240 Where's Andy? I don't know. 12 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,200 Who's moved my rucksack? Me, but it was in the way. 13 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,440 Right, Jade, I want you in the car. Come on, get your shoes on. 14 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,200 And you, love, come on, let's go. 15 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,200 I'm tired! All right. 16 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,240 And I'm hungry. 17 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,400 Andy! We are going now. 18 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,160 I'm coming. 19 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,000 Have you got your bus fare? Yeah, see you later. 20 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,040 (CHILDREN SQUABBLING) 21 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,320 Come on, Chris, you're always late. See you, love. 22 00:01:14,320 --> 00:01:16,360 Got your recorder, Jade? 23 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,680 Mum, it's not recorder day today, that's tomorrow. 24 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:31,000 (TOOTS HORN) 25 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,120 (DOGS BARK) 26 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:46,280 TV: 27 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,320 (KNOCK ON DOOR) 28 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,440 (WEST COUNTRY ACCENT) Mae, get that. 29 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,480 (FOOTSTEPS) 30 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:09,960 Is your mum in? She's inside. 31 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,480 (FOOTSTEPS) 32 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,760 Mum. 33 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:23,800 Oh, bloody hell, not you again! 34 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,840 That's right, me again. 35 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,120 Well, what's that? 36 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,800 A warrant to search the house and the garden. 37 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:36,480 Excuse me. 38 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,520 Mum, what... 39 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,200 What's going on? I don't know. 40 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:47,120 Well, what are they all... They just come in with search warrants. 41 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,880 (CLATTERING) Mind my house, you great lummock! 42 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,960 What, then, are the signs of abuse 43 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,720 which social workers should look for in children? 44 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,760 These may be physical, unexplained cuts and bruises. 45 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:03,560 But they may also be behavioural. Is the child withdrawn or aggressive 46 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,600 or unusually introverted? 47 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,280 Is there an unspoken atmosphere of fear in the house? 48 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:09,480 (RINGING TONE) 49 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,800 It's me. 50 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,800 That interfering bloody arsehole bitch is here again. 51 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,840 She'd got a search warrant this time. 52 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,640 You better have your story straight. 53 00:03:21,640 --> 00:03:24,400 And anything you need to do, you better get done. 54 00:03:24,920 --> 00:03:26,960 Hm? 55 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,560 (FOOTSTEPS) 56 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,720 (LOCAL TALK RADIO) 57 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,080 (PHONE RINGS) 58 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,080 Hello. Speaking. 59 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,000 Oh, right. 60 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,040 So you want me to come in now? 61 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,200 Er...no, no, fine. Erm... 62 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,520 Half an hour? 63 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,160 OK, then, bye. 64 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,400 That were the police. 65 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,840 They need an appropriate adult. A what? 66 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,400 You know, it's that thing I volunteered for. 67 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,840 You lot don't listen to a word I say, do you? 68 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:01,400 Janet Leach? Yeah. 69 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,560 This way, please. Detective Superintendent Bennett's waiting for you. 70 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,680 (CLAMOUR OF VOICES) 71 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,440 Janet Leach, the appropriate adult, sir. 72 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,840 Sorry for calling you in at this time of day. 73 00:05:12,840 --> 00:05:15,560 Probation and Social Services had no-one available. 74 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,240 Do you mind if I ask who it is? It's a 52-year-old man. 75 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,280 With learning difficulties? 76 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:25,520 Well, all I can say is that we've been advised to have an appropriate adult. 77 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,560 Oh, yes. 78 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,920 You have done this before? Oh, no, but I have done the training. 79 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,560 Ah. Carry on. 80 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,360 Howard Ogden, solicitor. 81 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,000 This taped interview is being conducted at Gloucester Central Police Station. 82 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,360 I'm DC Darren Law and my colleague here is... 83 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,200 DC Hazel Savage. And could I have your name, please? 84 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,240 Frederick Walter Stephen West. 85 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,880 And your legal representative... Howard Ogden. 86 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,200 And acting as your appropriate adult... 87 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,240 Oh, Janet Leach. 88 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,040 You're here to observe the interview is conducted fairly 89 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,560 and also to advise Mr West and facilitate communication with him. 90 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,600 I understand. Super. 91 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:29,840 The date is Friday 25th February 1994, the time is 16:57. 92 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:32,680 I've got to remind you, Fred, you're still under caution 93 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,160 and that you don't have to say anything unless you wish to do so 94 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,040 but anything you do say may be used in evidence. 95 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,560 Do you understand? Yeah. 96 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,280 OK. You were arrested earlier today by my colleague here 97 00:06:42,280 --> 00:06:45,240 in relation to the murder of your daughter Heather. 98 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,600 Could you tell me what you know about that? 99 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,560 Well, Heather wanted to leave home, see, 100 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,400 and she'd been knocking about with this girl with a red mini. 101 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,400 That's a mini skirt not a Mini car. (SNIFFS) 102 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,720 And we were pretty sure she was a lesbian, like, 103 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,680 so me and Rose said, "Hang on a sec, 104 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,520 you'd better think about this, girl, you know, give it a night, at least." 105 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:10,000 So next morning come up and... she looked real rough. 106 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,960 She'd been crying and... 107 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,680 So Rose says, "Let her go." 108 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:21,400 She said, "I'll go to the bank and draw out £600, she can have that and go." 109 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:27,120 So, Rose goes off and I'm left in the hall with Heather and her suitcase. 110 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:31,280 She's got her hands on her hips, you know, the big lady, like... 111 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,240 I say, "How about you get a flat up the road? 112 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,280 You can have girlfriends up there." 113 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,320 And she said, "If you don't let me fucking go... 114 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:43,920 I'll give all the kids acid." 115 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:45,680 That's LSD, like. 116 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:50,040 "And they'll jump off the church roof and kill their selves." 117 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,400 And I said, "Well, that ain't very nice, girl, 118 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,920 you threatening to do that to your own brothers and sisters." 119 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,920 And she's got this smile on her face, like a sort of smirk, 120 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:02,360 like, "Try me and I'll do it". 121 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:06,440 So I just lunged at her like that and then I grabbed her by the throat, like that, 122 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,480 and held her there for... 123 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,040 I don't know how long but it was real quick because... 124 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,840 It's surprising how long you can hold someone by the throat until they... 125 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:18,920 until they... 126 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,960 But I can't even remember to that extent what happened next, 127 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,840 but the next minute she's gone blue. 128 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,360 And I'm looking at her from head to foot. You know, what the heck's gone wrong? 129 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,480 I put her on the floor and I'm blowing in her mouth, pumping her chest, 130 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,400 but she kept on getting bluer and I didn't know what to do. 131 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,480 I hadn't meant to hurt her and Rose is due back any minute. 132 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,200 I'm thinking, jeez, I've got to do something and...I was scared. 133 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,440 So I was going to put her in the Wendy house. 134 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,160 Then I thought I'd put her in the dustbin, 135 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:54,520 but I couldn't get her in there, so...I get this ice saw. 136 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,080 You know, with the two prongs at the top and the serrated edges, 137 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,800 you use them for cutting blocks of ice 138 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,800 and I cut her legs off, and... 139 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,960 I mean, that was...unbearable. 140 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,760 Yeah, I can still hear that in my sleep. 141 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,080 And then I cut her head off, and... Well, I closed her eyes first, 142 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,840 cos, well, you're not going to take a saw to your own daughter 143 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,400 when she's sat there looking at you, are you? 144 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:30,680 And then she fit neatly in the bin, so I push it down the end of the garden, 145 00:09:30,680 --> 00:09:32,360 behind the Wendy House. 146 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:33,640 Then I take her suitcase 147 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,880 and stuck it behind the vet's on St Michael's Square where everyone chucks their rubbish. 148 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:42,320 Then I got Heather from behind the Wendy house and buried her. 149 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,960 And I been meaning to come down here and get all this sorted before, 150 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,000 but I never got round to it. 151 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,280 Can I ask if the appropriate adult's all right? 152 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:01,880 Oh, quite all right, thank you. 153 00:10:02,680 --> 00:10:04,560 DC SAVAGE: Let's get this clear. 154 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:08,040 You're saying you killed your daughter. But not intentionally. 155 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,200 DC LAW: What sort of grave are we looking for? 156 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,880 Just a hole about four foot square. SAVAGE: And what's in this hole? 157 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,360 Well, Heather. How many pieces? 158 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,720 Three pieces two legs, a head and a body. 159 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,400 LAW: That's four pieces. 160 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,560 Are you happy to come to the house and point out where she is? 161 00:10:23,560 --> 00:10:24,960 Yeah. 162 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,520 Why didn't you tell us all this before, Fred? 163 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,640 I wasn't ready. 164 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,400 Or is it cos we're carrying out a search and you were afraid we might find her? 165 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:39,280 No, no. You see, all this is causing stress to Rose and I don't want that, 166 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,040 and the thing I'd like to make clear is that Rose, 167 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,240 knew nothing about any of this. 168 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,320 The time is 17:08 by my watch and the interview is ended 169 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,680 whilst arrangements are made to visit 25 Cromwell Street. 170 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,080 This notice explains what happens to the tapes. 171 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,640 Can I have a word? Yeah, sure. 172 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:04,600 Is Rose here? No. 173 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,280 I've a feeling she's in the building. She's not here. 174 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:15,720 I just wanted to make sure you're OK. 175 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,040 Er... Yeah, yeah, I'm fine. 176 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,080 (SHOUTING) 177 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,640 She is here. 178 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,480 I thought they were taking her straight to Cheltenham. 179 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:33,400 This way, Mrs West. You're unbelievable, you lot. 180 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,440 You're fucking unbelievable! 181 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,480 (RINGING TONE) 182 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,280 Hello. Oh, hi, love, it's me. 183 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,600 Is everything all right? JOSH: Yeah. 184 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,120 Have you had tea? Sort of. 185 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,560 You might have to put Jade to bed. Where are you? 186 00:11:51,560 --> 00:11:53,680 I told you, I'm at the police station. 187 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:56,400 I'm helping the police with an investigation. 188 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:57,760 What investigation? 189 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,320 Yeah, the press office are working on it now. 190 00:12:01,560 --> 00:12:05,000 I can't talk about it. I'm really sorry, love, I've got to go. 191 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,040 I'll see you later, all right? Bye. 192 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,760 (FRED'S VOICE) (LAUGHTER) 193 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:12,800 DC LAW: What, overalls? 194 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,120 FRED: Standard police issue, are they? Nothing but the best. 195 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,160 Damn stuff drive you mad, it does. 196 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,200 What's that, then? Fibreglass. 197 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,640 Been spraying this bloke's loft over Stroud way. 198 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,680 We don't have back-scratchers in the station, Fred. 199 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,840 Is the car ready? Don't I know you from somewhere? 200 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,400 Erm... I'm sure you don't. You don't half look familiar. 201 00:12:36,680 --> 00:12:38,720 (CHATTER) 202 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,560 LAW: I'll be in the first car with Mr West and his solicitor Mr Ogden. 203 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:45,080 Ain't just Heather I buried in that garden. 204 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,120 There's more. More? 205 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:50,960 You wouldn't believe it. 206 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,760 Not that you can let on to the police I told you that, eh? 207 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,320 You have got to keep everything I say in confidence. 208 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,960 But you're a good appropriate adult, you'll already know that. 209 00:12:59,960 --> 00:13:01,640 DC SAVAGE: Mrs Leach. 210 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,280 OK? All ready? Let's go. 211 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,120 Right arm, please, Fred. 212 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:20,840 (TYRES SQUEAL) 213 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,280 (DOG BARKS) 214 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,240 (POLICE RADIO) 215 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:36,640 Where's Rose? On her way to Cheltenham Police Station. 216 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,440 She's also under arrest. 217 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,120 That's a waste of her time and yours. Come on. 218 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,080 The work I put into this place! 219 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,760 Knocking through here and building on there. 220 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,400 Years of back-break to get it looking tickety-boo. 221 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,680 I need to remind you you are under caution, Fred, understand? 222 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,280 Yes, thank you, Hazel. 223 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,440 Now you show us where you buried your daughter Heather. 224 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,480 The problem is remembering what you did when... 225 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,280 I'd try there. 226 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,320 Is Bernard still around? He's gone home. 227 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,320 Get him back. We need a pathologist. 228 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,360 See there? 229 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,400 What? 230 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:38,880 And there? 231 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,400 What am I supposed to be looking at? 232 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,240 OK, we're going to get a forensic team to start examining that area. 233 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,280 We'll go back to the station now, apply for an extension of custody 234 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,320 and resume our interview tomorrow. 235 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,480 Is there anything else you wish to say? 236 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,600 Yes. Will the appropriate adult be present? 237 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,440 Can you attend? 238 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,600 Erm... Yeah, if you want me. 239 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,080 That's sorted, then. 240 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:08,800 She's been very helpful so far. 241 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,320 (CHILDREN TALKING) 242 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,280 (CHILDREN'S VOICES) 243 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,840 I said yeah. Ssh! 244 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,560 Come on, you said yesterday, that's not right. 245 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,920 MIKE: Been on that job over at Barnwood. They've had cowboys in before. 246 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:13,560 What a mess, I'm having to re-skim it all. I told them, I said, "This'll take weeks." 247 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,320 Hey, cut it out, you two. Hey! 248 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,000 (CHILDREN CHATTER) 249 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,000 Mike... Hm? 250 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:32,040 Have you taken them? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. 251 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:52,400 Gloucester Police Station, the date is 26th February 1994. 252 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:57,120 The time is 10:38. I'm DC Law, my colleague here is... 253 00:17:57,120 --> 00:17:58,520 DC Savage. 254 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,400 Your full name, please. Frederick Walter Stephen West. 255 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,880 And your legal representative... Howard Ogden. 256 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,040 And acting as your appropriate adult... Janet Leach. 257 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,600 You are still under caution. Do you understand? 258 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,640 Yes and me and him just had an argument. Discussion. 259 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,720 I'm telling you now what I just told him. Heather is not in that garden. 260 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,400 She's alive and well and possibly at this moment in Bahrain. 261 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:27,040 She's been recruited to work for a drugs cartel as a drugs runner. 262 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,080 They treat her like a queen. 263 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,720 She gets in touch now and again to tell me she's all right. 264 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,760 She's using a false name. 265 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,880 I have no idea what that is and I will not let her tell me. 266 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:41,320 Now, whether or not you believe in that is entirely up to you. 267 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,880 But that's why you found nothing and you won't, 268 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,000 not even if you dig till Kingdom Come. 269 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,520 And I don't care how much money and time you waste, cos you wasted mine. 270 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,640 Not just now but in the past. There were previous allegations. 271 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,720 There was nothing in them. Rape and buggery of your children. 272 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,440 Which was never proven. You had me in prison, 273 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,760 spat at by other prisoners, my younger kids put into care, where they still are, 274 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,560 trying to force me to admit that... 275 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,160 Trying to get to the truth, Fred. You turned my house upside down. 276 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,080 And we'll do so again and the garden. £3,000 that cost me... 277 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,800 And we'll keep on searching until we find Heather. 278 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,680 All because of some remark about her being under the patio! 279 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,640 A remark made by your own daughter. 280 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,240 Anne Marie said it was a family joke. There you are! 281 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,720 To social workers who, like me, have had concerns about your family 282 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,120 for a considerable time. 283 00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:30,800 You're the beautifulest woman in Gloucester when you're angry, Hazel. 284 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,720 I'm just trying to get to the truth this time, Fred. 285 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,640 You're being personal and vindictive. I'm neither. 286 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:42,520 Against me and my Rose, who loves our family, who'd do...anything for them. 287 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,120 Why are you saying this now, Fred? 288 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,520 Last night you took us to the house with Mr Ogden and this lady, 289 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,560 and you showed us a grave. 290 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,120 You inconvenienced me. 291 00:19:56,120 --> 00:19:59,760 So, are you trying to inconvenience DC Savage to get back at her? 292 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,880 You really saying there's nothing in that grave? 293 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,040 Why are you smirking? 294 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,400 Who's smirking? 295 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:13,520 You said yesterday you wanted to get all this...sorted out. 296 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:17,440 Then I spent the night in a cell thinking what I want is Rose back in our home. 297 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,520 I want my children back, I want my house and garden reinstated. We are a family! 298 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:29,760 Well, let's just ask Mrs Leach, as an independent lady, what she thinks. 299 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,600 Erm... 300 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:40,920 Well, he's clearly contradicting what he said last night. 301 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,960 Did you hear that, Fred? 302 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,360 And I saw the smirk. 303 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,240 (KNOCK ON DOOR) 304 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,640 For the benefit of the tape, PC Roberts has entered the room. 305 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,720 Nothing more hurtful than someone saying you don't love your kids. 306 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,080 Bet you feel the same way. Bet you're a mother. 307 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,200 That's completely irrelevant. Ah, but it's not, you see, 308 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,920 cos I think you understand how deep my feelings are for my family. 309 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,000 Don't you? 310 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,400 (DOOR OPENS) Time for a cuppa, I'd say, Hazel. 311 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,680 We can... We can take a refreshment break shortly. 312 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,280 But first I'd like to discuss the information 313 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,880 that Detective Superintendent Bennett's just sent from your house. 314 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:01,400 What information? They've found some bones in the garden. 315 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,760 Well, like I said, I... 316 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,360 I want to get all this sorted out. 317 00:22:14,360 --> 00:22:17,040 Our pathologist is confident they're human. 318 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:24,680 If I accused you of... inconveniencing me, then, Helen, I...apologise. 319 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,880 Are you sure you buried Heather all in one place? 320 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,040 You what? 321 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:37,800 You didn't scatter any of her body around the garden? No. 322 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,360 Cos they found another body part in another part of the garden. 323 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,600 Well, I can't think how that could have got there. 324 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,840 Are you suggesting it wasn't part of Heather? 325 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,880 It must have been. 326 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,720 It was a thigh bone. 327 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,040 They've already found two thigh bones. 328 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,240 Heather didn't have three legs, did she? 329 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:08,360 Well...do you have any knowledge how this other bone could have got there, Fred? 330 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,840 Yes. 331 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,200 Shirley. 332 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:19,280 Shirley who? 333 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,920 Robinson. The girl that caused all the trouble. 334 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,960 The girl with the red mini. 335 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,720 Thank you, yes. 336 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,800 You see, she lodged with us, and... 337 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,000 ..I had an affair with her and she got pregnant and... 338 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,440 she wanted to marry me and she said she was gonna tell Rose and... 339 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,840 there was a bit of an argument, got out of hand somehow and... 340 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,880 she ended up getting strangled. 341 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,240 And where was Rose at this time? 342 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,880 In the hospital having a baby. Which baby? 343 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,120 Erm...Babs. 344 00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:02,600 No. Er... No, not Babs. Erm... 345 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,240 Young Rosemarie. 346 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,800 I'd come back from seeing Rose in the hospital and... (SNIFFS) 347 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,680 Shirley and I had this row and I killed her. 348 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,400 How? Strangled her with a piece of flex. 349 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,560 Buried her in the garden? 350 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,360 Yeah. 351 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,520 And her with a baby inside her, too. 352 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,840 Can't tell you how that's haunted me. 353 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,240 I mean, about the baby and... 354 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,120 (SIGHS) 355 00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:42,160 In killing Shirley, the... 356 00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:46,400 ..the baby would have died, too. 357 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,600 (SOBS) 358 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,480 I think we'll end there. 359 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,640 Does anyone have anything else to say? 360 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,840 The time is 11:06 and the interview has ended. 361 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,880 Excuse me. 362 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,560 (SIGHS) 363 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,240 (FOOTSTEPS APPROACHING) 364 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,280 We've decided to leave the interviews for today. 365 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,760 Oh, OK. Erm...Fred needs some clean clothes. 366 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,120 I wondered, could you go to the house with Mr Ogden and get them? 367 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:23,560 Erm... Yeah, all right. 368 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,640 And whilst you're at it, could you get some for Mrs West, too? 369 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,680 We're still holding her at Cheltenham. OK. 370 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:34,560 Erm... Does he really have learning difficulties? 371 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,800 So why do you need an appropriate adult? 372 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,840 Detective Superintendent Bennett's concerned 373 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,240 there's no suggestion Mr West had difficulty understanding any of this. 374 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,400 (CAMERAS CLICKING) 375 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,440 Can you give us anything at all? 376 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,600 Can you give us any information at all? 377 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,640 (SHOUTING CONTINUES) 378 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,000 In you go. 379 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,600 PC: This way. Right at the top, I think. 380 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,200 174, 174 Quebec Lima, over. 381 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,240 Quebec Lima, go ahead, over. 382 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,960 Can you do anything to improve access to the rear of the property? 383 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,200 I'll look into it now, over. 384 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,240 OGDEN: Upstairs, I think. 385 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,360 342, 342, Quebec Lima, over. 386 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,240 Can you meet DC Kaminsky by the back door? He's got a message for you. 387 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,040 You did know she works as a prostitute? 388 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,080 I'd worked that out. Mm. 389 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,720 Clothes. 390 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,600 No, there's nothing in here. 391 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,000 (VOICES IN GARDEN) 392 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,000 I thought you'd already searched in here. 393 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,920 We're not the police. Who the fuck are you, then? 394 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,640 I'm your dad's solicitor. Well, who's this? 395 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,160 Janet Leach, I'm acting as your father's appropriate adult. 396 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,200 His what? 397 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,040 We've been sent to pick up some clean clothes. 398 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,160 Where is Dad? Cos no-one's told us anything. 399 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,480 Gloucester Police Station. I'm afraid he's been arrested on suspicion of murder. 400 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,040 Murder of who? 401 00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,960 Murder? Then it'll be Mum, not Dad. 402 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:03,200 Don't say that about Mum! I'll say what fucking I like! 403 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,560 Don't listen to him. Mum's all right. 404 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,040 Dad's the one. 405 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,000 Tell Mum I hope she's all right and we want her home. 406 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,520 Please will you do that for me? 407 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,000 (ENGINE RUNNING IN GARDEN) 408 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,280 (SHOVELS CLANGING) 409 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,520 Mrs West. Jesus! You. 410 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,120 This lady's brought you some of your clothes. 411 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,520 What? 412 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,400 You've been to my house, rooting round in my things? 413 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,760 The police asked me... Fucking cheek! 414 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,080 We were just quickly in and out and we saw Stephen and Mae, 415 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,720 and Mae said that she hoped you were all right. 416 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,800 By what right, by what right, you nosy fucking bitch, 417 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,400 do you go in my house and speak to my children and poke about among my private things? 418 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:15,880 Rose... Jesus Christ! 419 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,920 Rose, calm down. 420 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,720 Who are you, anyway? Who are you? She's helping us, Mrs West. 421 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:26,440 She's got no right touching my clothing and you've got no right arresting me! 422 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,200 All we want is to get to the truth. No, it ain't. 423 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,240 You want me to say Fred killed our Heather and I helped him. 424 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,280 Did you? No, I did not! How many fucking times? 425 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,680 You've got nothing on me and you know it. 426 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,240 Take her back to the cells, please. Right. 427 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,480 (RUMMAGES IN BAG) 428 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,160 Don't...touch me. 429 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,000 Oh, what are you so fucking scared of, you little mouse? 430 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,520 Little mousey-mouse, wouldn't say boo to a fucking goose. 431 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,960 I bet you're a dirty little lezzie, too. 432 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,800 Mrs West! 433 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:09,960 Innocent, isn't she? 434 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,000 I said don't touch me, didn't I? 435 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,440 I told you not to fucking touch me. 436 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,800 Sorry about that. It's all right. 437 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,360 Look, have a seat, I'll get you a glass of water. 438 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,720 Occupational hazard, I'm afraid, that kind of abuse. 439 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,240 It's not that. 440 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,280 What is it, then? 441 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,640 Things have happened and been said that I hadn't expected. 442 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,400 What things? 443 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,760 Has Fred said anything privately to you about any of this? 444 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,560 I can't tell you. I owe a duty of confidence. 445 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,680 Of course. 446 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,360 But if he does try and give you information privately, 447 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,400 you can advise him to speak to me. 448 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,560 I know, I've done the training. 449 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,480 You'd better get home. 450 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,480 (BIRDS SINGING) 451 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,880 What are you doing? It's Sunday. 452 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,000 I know. They need me to go in again. 453 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,040 What? 454 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,080 The police. 455 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,120 Bloody hell, Janet. 456 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:05,400 (PHONE RINGS) 457 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,120 Hello. 458 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,240 Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm just going in now. 459 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,600 Coping? Of course I'm coping. 460 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,640 Who says I'm not? 461 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,320 Pull out? No! 462 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,920 So, you're saying if I carry on, you won't support me? 463 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,160 OK, fine! 464 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,920 (CHATTER) 465 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,240 I want that statement on my desk first thing in the morning, you understand? 466 00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:54,720 Excuse me. Can I ask, have you said something to her? 467 00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:55,880 What? 468 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,760 The organiser of the appropriate adult register. 469 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,200 Yes, yes, I have. 470 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,280 Did you tell her that I wasn't up to this? 471 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:04,680 No, I did not. 472 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,280 Cos she rang me and asked me if I wanted to pull out. 473 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,520 I explained it was a very difficult and distressing case. 474 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,200 She's perfectly entitled to give you that opportunity. 475 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:14,720 Well, I won't. 476 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,040 Are you quite sure you still feel able to carry on? 477 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,800 Yeah, absolutely. Very well. 478 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,880 Janet! There's been a development. 479 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:25,880 What? 480 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,240 Fred's indicated that there's another body in the garden. 481 00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:32,080 Who? A girl called Alison Chambers. 482 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,920 I suspect he's told us cos we'll find the body anyway. 483 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,240 I want him to point out the grave. Can you come to the house? 484 00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:40,280 Er... Yeah, of course. 485 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,000 (CLANGING) 486 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,880 (KEYS JANGLING) 487 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:03,520 So, here, Fred, this here's where we found bones 488 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,200 that you say may belong to Shirley Robinson. 489 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,960 Where did you bury Alison Chambers? 490 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,120 Well, now... 491 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,960 Now you're asking. Yes, I am asking, Fred. 492 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,680 Let's see. 493 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,800 No. I don't think I can get it. 494 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,120 Oh, hold on, hold on. 495 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,920 I'm picking something up. 496 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,880 Yeah, that's her. Alison? 497 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,320 Yeah, she's trying to tell me something. 498 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,360 What's she trying to tell you, Fred? 499 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,320 Where she is, but I... 500 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,200 I don't think I can understand what she's trying to... 501 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,320 Yeah, hold on, hold on. Erm... 502 00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:41,280 Yeah. Try there. 503 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,720 Now that's your lot, you'll find no more. 504 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,120 What about...Rena? 505 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,720 Rena? Your first wife. 506 00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:56,880 And what about Charmaine? 507 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,520 Charmaine? Why are you looking at me like that? 508 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,240 Rena had a daughter Charmaine, who became your step-daughter. 509 00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:08,280 Where are they? 510 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,600 Well, you lose track of people, don't you? 511 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,880 You said you'd lost track of Heather, 512 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,000 but you killed her and buried her, in this garden. 513 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,560 And you did the same to Shirley Robinson and Alison Chambers. 514 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,040 You won't find Rena and Charmaine here, and that I swear. 515 00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:27,800 And even if you don't believe me, I know the appropriate adult does, 516 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,640 cos she understands me in a way that you lot don't. 517 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,720 Isn't that so? 518 00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:36,640 How could I understand you? You've killed people. 519 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,440 Because you're a woman who can see beneath the surface 520 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,080 and a woman who knows remorse when she sees it. 521 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,920 Not like you lot. 522 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,320 The police have found two more bodies in the garden in Gloucester 523 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,040 where the remains of the schoolgirl Heather West were discovered on Saturday. 524 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,640 Her father is charged with her murder. 525 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,520 The bodies are thought to be of adults 526 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,240 but police say identification will be difficult. 527 00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:05,320 They're checking registers of missing people. 528 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,760 Our West Of England reporter Steve Scott has the details... 529 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,480 Can I use that table? I can't concentrate in there. 530 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,520 Oh, yeah. 531 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,640 ..the city's biggest-ever criminal investigation. 532 00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:19,480 Is this the thing you're involved with? 533 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,040 Forensic teams have unearthed three sets of human remains... 534 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,360 It is, isn't it? 535 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,000 It obviously is, Josh. 536 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,520 She can't talk about it. 537 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,160 Do you think there are more bodies? 538 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,000 I bet there are more, though, most people do. 539 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,760 Police have confirmed the man's wife has been released without charge. 540 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,800 Indications are that the police operation at 25 Cromwell Street 541 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,840 could go on for many more days yet. 542 00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:53,280 What's that number again, please? 543 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,120 DC SAVAGE: Jacqui will show you out. 544 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:03,240 I know this is distressing but that information could be really useful. 545 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,720 We'll be in touch if we have any news at all. 546 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,040 Ready for another session? Yeah. 547 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,120 Who was that? Mr and Mrs Gough. 548 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,560 Gloucester couple whose daughter lodged with the Wests 20 years ago. 549 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,880 We found some belongings in the house we think may be hers. 550 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,520 You think she could be another victim? Yup. 551 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,320 Where's this going to end? 552 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,240 There are three bodies and that's it. I said I'm willing to sort all that out. 553 00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:35,400 I know I'll never go home again but I want my garden reinstated 554 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,160 and Rose and the kids back home. 555 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,400 She can't go back home! Why not? You've released Rose. 556 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,120 She's with Mae and Stephen, the younger kids are in care. 557 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,360 We're still searching the property and the fact that we've released Rose 558 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,040 doesn't mean she's innocent. 559 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,080 This is all wrong, see. 560 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,000 Did Rose know about you and Shirley Robinson? 561 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,360 No, she didn't. 562 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,440 Living under the same roof? Rose must have known she was pregnant. 563 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,280 She didn't know I was the father. I suggest that she did. 564 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,320 I suggest she was jealous. 565 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,680 I suggest she helped you to kill her. 566 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,720 We've found Shirley's body, Fred. It was me showed you where it was. 567 00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:20,280 So, can you explain why the baby wasn't inside her? 568 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,040 What? 569 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,480 The baby has not been left intact in the abdomen. 570 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,680 I need to take a break. 571 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:53,640 DC LAW: The time is 11:45, the interview has ended. 572 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,280 Back in a minute, Fred. Can you sign this off, Mrs Leach? 573 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,960 I need to speak to you. DC SAVAGE: Yes, Mr Ogden, of course. 574 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,800 I need to see that report. 575 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,440 That would have been Rose. 576 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,560 What would? The baby. 577 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,960 Are you saying that Rose removed the baby from Shirley's womb? 578 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,840 Oh, no, no. 579 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,360 No, no, Rose is a mother, she'd never do a thing like that. 580 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,240 I can't do this. 581 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,360 Don't go, please. 582 00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:48,160 Give me one good reason why I should listen to this crap. 583 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,640 I know you've suffered. What? 584 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,080 You don't know anything about me. I can see it in your eyes. 585 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,520 You've not always been properly loved and respected by men. 586 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,440 I've had enough of this. 587 00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:10,960 You need to tell the police everything. 588 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:16,000 If you've killed other women, they need to know. The girls' families need to know. 589 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,720 I'm not admitting nothing else to Mr Ogden or the police. 590 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:22,600 I'm going and I'll not be coming back. You're my appropriate adult. 591 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,680 I don't give a shit! Please, please! 592 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,120 Please, Janet, please stay! You're the only one I can trust. 593 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,720 On one condition. 594 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,360 You tell the police who else you've killed. 595 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,600 All right. 596 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,480 In writing, so you can't back-track. 597 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,520 I'll get Mr Ogden in. 598 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,000 Mr Ogden. Yes? 599 00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:12,280 (CLEARS THROAT) 600 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,840 Mr West wants to make a statement. 601 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,960 Saying what? Who else he's killed. 602 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,960 Really? 603 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,040 Well... 604 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,960 What exactly do you want to say? 605 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:37,920 Go on, Fred. 606 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,880 Here, Janet, come and sit here. 607 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,640 OGDEN: So, what shall we put? 608 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:49,480 Go on. 609 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:55,840 "I, Frederick West, authorise my solicitor..." 610 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,920 (REPEATS) "Howard Ogden..." 611 00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,960 Howard Ogden... 612 00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:02,640 "to advise Superintendent Bennett..." 613 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,200 Superintendent Bennett... 614 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,800 Of? 615 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,200 Of a... a further... 616 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,080 ..eight killings. 617 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,560 Eight? 618 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,560 All right, nine. 619 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,720 Well, is it eight or nine? 620 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,080 Erm... 621 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,120 Shall we just put "approx"? 622 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,280 That's it, "approx". Good girl. 623 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,600 "Of a further nine... 624 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,920 ..approx, killings." 625 00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:14,760 Is this his signature? Yes. 626 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,640 These don't sound like his words. 627 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,720 Well, we drafted it for him, following his instructions. 628 00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:21,200 We? 629 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,920 He made this admission following a conversation with Mrs Leach. 630 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,160 I also got him to draw a map. 631 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,760 He said some bodies are in the garden, some are under the cellar floor 632 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,800 and there's a body in a field. 633 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,880 It's all a bit vague. Others to be identified. 634 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,280 We've made a start, trying to identify who they might be. 635 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,320 It's a huge breakthrough, sir. 636 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,360 Why did he come out with all of this? 637 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,960 I told him that if he didn't start telling the truth, 638 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,920 then I wouldn't help him any more. 639 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,400 That could be seen as putting him under duress. 640 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:59,800 How? I was just being honest and I told him it was you he should tell, not me, 641 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,920 because what he tells me I have to keep in private, confidential. 642 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,040 You've done exactly the right thing. 643 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,840 I won't have to go to court, will I? 644 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:13,120 Oh, I doubt that very much, Mrs Leach, you're the appropriate adult. 645 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,200 You're here to assist Mr West. 646 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,320 See, the problem I have down here, 647 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,040 is the high water table. 648 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,680 No matter how much concrete you put down, you still get seepage. 649 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,560 Let's see what I can do for you. 650 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,960 Hm... 651 00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,280 I don't know. What don't you know, Fred? 652 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,080 If I can feel... If I can feel them. 653 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,920 I can feel their spirits reaching out to me but... 654 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,840 ..I'm getting the same message from all of them. 655 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,760 They're trying to tell me they're... they're better off where they are. 656 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,600 They don't want to be disturbed. 657 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,520 This is a pile of crap! 658 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,440 Either there are more bodies here or there aren't. 659 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,640 He's told us that there are. 660 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,800 He'd better not have come up with those nine to impress you. 661 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,680 I don't think he has. Be wary of getting pally with him. 662 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,960 I'm not getting pally with him, I'm just trying to help. 663 00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,560 Dig the floor up. Take the house apart brick by brick if you have to. 664 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,600 This is getting out of hand. 665 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,040 People will start thinking he's taking the mickey out of us. 666 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,400 (DRILLING) 667 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,520 Thanks. 668 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:28,800 Janet Leach? Yeah. 669 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,760 Can we have a quick chat? What about? 670 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,080 What you're doing with the police. Janet? Hi, Kirsty Stevens. 671 00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:38,560 Fuck off, Kirsty, I'm talking to her. Janet, before you make any decisions, 672 00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,600 please talk to me. 673 00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,200 What do you mean, decisions? Cromwell Street. 674 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,000 You clearly know the inside story. Who told you that? 675 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,080 We have our ways. 676 00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,120 I've got nothing to say to you. 677 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,320 (TV NEWS ON) 678 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,120 It's me. 679 00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,360 Hi, how's things? 680 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,800 Look at this, it's a Jag XJ6 4.2-litre coupe. 681 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,200 What? Yeah, there were only 6,000 made. 682 00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,960 It's got full leather, automatic transmission, top speed of 120. 683 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,880 "Immaculate throughout." You're not thinking of buying a car? 684 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,000 He only wants four grand. We haven't got four grand. 685 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,040 We can get it, easy. How? 686 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,000 The newspapers. Look what came through the door. 687 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,360 What? 688 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,880 They want to buy your story. 689 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,560 It could be worth thousands. I can't talk to the press. 690 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,600 I bet everyone else is. 691 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,360 Who? I don't know. The police? 692 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,800 How else does all this stuff get in the papers? 693 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:47,400 It's a hell of a story, Janet. It's just been on the news about there being more bodies. 694 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,440 Mike, this is ridiculous. 695 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,280 I'm doing this because it's vital, not to make money. 696 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,320 That's bonkers, if you ask me. 697 00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:59,960 Well, I'll... I'll have to rustle it up from somewhere else, then. 698 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:02,960 Is he all right? 699 00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,720 What do you mean? It's the sort of thing he starts doing, 700 00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:09,280 talking a lot, buying stuff he can't afford. 701 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,720 No, he's fine, he's taking his medication. 702 00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,080 Yet another takeaway. 703 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,000 Yeah. 704 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,920 We had to eat something. I'll give you the money. 705 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,120 How long's this going to go on? 706 00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:26,760 I don't know, love. 707 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,920 (BIRD CALLS) 708 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,680 (VEHICLES APPROACH) 709 00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,080 Oh, it takes me back, this, you know. 710 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,320 Right back to boyhood. Every inch, every blade of grass. 711 00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,000 That's Letterbox Field there. 712 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,880 We've come to search for the remains of your first wife. We're not sightseeing. 713 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,240 I know. Lovely to get out of that police station, eh, Janet? 714 00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:09,280 Smell God's fresh air. 715 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:36,960 Try there. 716 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,240 OK, lads. We're over here. 717 00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,080 That's the spot there. Mark that, then, Darren. That's it. 718 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,400 So, if you take that as your starting point... 719 00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:52,840 Wouldn't mind a wander over there, too, Janet. 720 00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:53,760 Why? 721 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,360 For old times' sake. What's so special about over there? 722 00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,480 See, I love Rose and I loved Rena, too, but... 723 00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,120 ..Anna was the one. 724 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:07,680 Who's Anna? 725 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,480 The true love of my life. 726 00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:15,320 Anna was having a baby, too, but... 727 00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:18,760 That was a baby I wanted. 728 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,240 I don't understand. 729 00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:24,240 Are you all right? 730 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,400 I was just asking Janet about my fish. 731 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:28,920 Fish? 732 00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,600 My tropical fish, who's feeding them? 733 00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,280 Let's get you back to the nick. 734 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,040 Mike, have you bought it? 735 00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,480 Yeah. It's not the one I went after, in the end, it's another. 736 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,080 Beautiful, isn't it? How much was it? 737 00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:16,200 It's just immaculate. The bloke I bought it from, he's a Jag specialist. 738 00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,240 How much was it? 739 00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,880 Nine grand. 9,000? 740 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,320 You can't spend that kind of money on a car. 741 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,360 It's fine, I got it on HP. 742 00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,880 We don't even need another car. What is going on in here? 743 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:34,000 We've got a new TV and a new video, too. Even better deal than the car. 744 00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,320 I got this new unit to put them on, but they haven't supplied enough fixings. 745 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,760 Mike, this is ridiculous, we're... 746 00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,360 Mike, Mike! What? 747 00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,920 We're not getting a new TV or a new car. 748 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,960 Have you been taking your lithium? 749 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,400 Yeah, of course, yeah. Are you sure? 750 00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,480 No, you haven't, you've been missing days. 751 00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,800 You can't afford to miss any days, you know that. Right, kids, upstairs. Go! 752 00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,640 Mike, the car is going back, and the TV and the video. 753 00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,920 Why? Just sit down. Just sit down. 754 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,520 No. Why? Just sit down, go and sit down. 755 00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,560 Come on, love. 756 00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:18,920 Come on. 757 00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,120 I'm going to have to get you into the hospital. 758 00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,640 I'm going to go and call them now, all right? 759 00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,600 I warned you. Just stay out of this, Josh. 760 00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,120 None of this would have happened if you'd been thinking of us. 761 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,280 You'd far rather spend time with that murderer. 762 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,320 Just leave it, will you, Josh? 763 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,600 Oh, hello, yeah, my name's Janet Leach and I'm calling about my partner. 764 00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:58,160 Yeah, he's bi-polar and he's going into a high and I need to bring him in urgently. 765 00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,960 (APPROACHING FOOTSTEPS) 766 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,400 He's finally dropped off. 767 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,240 He's clearly got very over-stimulated, though. 768 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,640 It could take days, maybe weeks, to get him fully stabilised again. 769 00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,920 I see. Do you need me to stay? No. 770 00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:38,400 Would it be all right if I came back this afternoon about half-four? 771 00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:39,920 Fine. 772 00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:52,040 (ON TAPE) ROSE: I'm admitting nothing cos I've got fucking nothing to admit. 773 00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,000 MAE: So it's all Dad. That's what I'm saying, Mae. 774 00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,040 I'm as shocked about this as you are. 775 00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,000 DC LAW: Rose has denied it to us, and to her daughter. 776 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,440 We've got nothing else on her. So, unless Fred drops her in it... 777 00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:04,480 Janet. 778 00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:09,120 Ready to crack on? Yeah, but erm... 779 00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,680 I need to leave at four, I've got an urgent family matter. Fine. 780 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,080 Did you engage them in sadomasochistic acts? 781 00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,120 They were adventurous young girls. 782 00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,160 So, how did you end up killing them? 783 00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:26,920 You even got the killing wrong. 784 00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,640 You're trying to make out that I just went out and blatantly killed people. 785 00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,680 It weren't like that. Enjoyment turned to disaster. 786 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,600 We're all having difficulty understanding this. 787 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:44,000 Especially how these things can have gone on without Rose's knowledge. 788 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,480 Rose was out. Out where? 789 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,200 Shopping. 790 00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,000 Whilst you had sex, murdered and buried them? 791 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,320 She must have had an awful lot of shopping to do! 792 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,720 She does. It's a fair old walk to Tesco. 793 00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,560 Mary Bastholme. 794 00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,600 Carol Cooper. 795 00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,120 Lucy Partington. 796 00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,120 Shirley Hubbard. 797 00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,000 Those women didn't stay at your house. 798 00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,760 I don't believe they were known to you, they just disappeared from bus stops. 799 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,320 (INTERROGATION FADES OUT) 800 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,960 Do you know where you were, then? One more time... 801 00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,480 Did Rose know about these sexual encounters? 802 00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:24,760 Did she participate in them? 803 00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,760 Did Rose kill Charmaine? Rose didn't kill no-one. 804 00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,760 I killed Charmaine when I come out of Leyhill Prison. 805 00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,360 For the last time, Rose had no part of this. 806 00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,400 Your loyalty's very touching. 807 00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,280 Do you think she feels the same about you? 808 00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:45,760 Rose loves me. 809 00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,040 You didn't mind her having sex with other men? 810 00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,400 That's correct. So long as you knew about it. 811 00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,960 I always knew about it. So you knew she was seeing male clients 812 00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:55,920 at another premises in Gloucester? 813 00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,680 What? 22 Sunderland Street. 814 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:06,360 That's rubbish! We spoke to men who met her there for sex. 815 00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,400 Do you find that upsetting, Fred? 816 00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,480 There were things in Rose's life you didn't know about. 817 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,960 Sexual relationships she kept to herself. 818 00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,400 No, I don't, cos you're making it up. I'm not. 819 00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,440 I bloody well know you are! 820 00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,480 Rose is all mine, she always has been. 821 00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,080 And I would know, I'd know here if that ever changed. 822 00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:38,160 Rose is my love, she is, and I ain't having you lot telling me otherwise. 823 00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,720 Sit down, please, Fred. Fred, you're not helping yourself. 824 00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,760 The interview is ended at 15:47 by my watch. 825 00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:00,400 This suggestion that Rose West was seeing men without Mr West's knowledge, 826 01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,280 any further disclosure about that? 827 01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,840 You'd better come to the office. I want to be giving the correct advice. 828 01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,880 Don't rush off, Janet. I have to. 829 01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,640 That's bullshit about Rose seeing other fellas in some place. 830 01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,080 I'm afraid I can't stay and discuss it now. 831 01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,280 A man needs to know his wife has no secrets. 832 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,560 Would you keep secrets from your husband? 833 01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,480 I'm not married. There's a lucky fella in your life. 834 01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,840 Mind your own bloody business. Please don't go. Please. 835 01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,280 There's something I want to tell you. It's about Rose. 836 01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,080 What about her? 837 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,240 She was involved. 838 01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,200 In how many of them? 839 01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:55,800 Lots. 840 01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,680 The things I could tell you about what she done to some of them girls. 841 01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,720 I may have started it, but... 842 01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,120 ..she took over and did whatever she liked. 843 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,800 I mean it. She did took that baby out of Shirley's body, not me. 844 01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,600 That's the kind of woman she is. 845 01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:21,040 If all that is true, how can you hold that back from the police? 846 01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:24,200 For the sake of the family. I don't understand. 847 01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,720 We made a pact, see, that I would take all the blame to myself. 848 01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,960 On the day the police come with the warrant, 849 01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,960 I was out, Rose called me to warn me. 850 01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,520 When I got home, the police give us five minutes alone and we agreed then 851 01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:38,560 that I'd tell them it was all me. 852 01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:42,880 And I know you think it's wrong that Rose gets away with it and I pay the price, 853 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,080 but that's the plan we made. 854 01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:48,800 So she could look after the family and that plan is working, Anna. 855 01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,200 Why did you just call me Anna? Sorry. Janet. 856 01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,040 I get confused. 857 01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,080 My mind's spinning with all this... 858 01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,840 I'm losing everything. 859 01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,200 my family, my wife...home. 860 01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:13,960 And you, you're helping me through the most terrible time in my life. 861 01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:16,880 You're my only friend. 862 01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,320 I'm not your friend. You are. 863 01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,120 We're going on a journey together, Janet. 864 01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,760 Neither of us knows where it's going to end but... 865 01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,000 ..we're on it together. 866 01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,600 I have to go. 867 01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,760 Mrs Leach. Yeah? 868 01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,920 We won't be needing you any more. 869 01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:00,240 What? 870 01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,280 Your services on the inquiry are no longer required. 871 01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,240 Why? I'm not obliged to give reasons. 872 01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,000 You can't just drop me without any explanation. 873 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,480 Yes, I can. No, you can't, not now. 874 01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:17,760 What do you mean, not now? 875 01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:20,800 I can't answer that. 876 01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:25,240 Well, clearly you found all this very distressing but thank you for your help. 877 01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:59,280 I tell you, I'm sick of this, the fucking trouble your father caused me 878 01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,920 and those fucking police, yammering on at me. 879 01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,640 What I done when, what your dad done when, who stayed in the fucking house. 880 01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,600 Well, I'm not taking the blame for fucking nothing. 881 01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:13,840 What you believe don't matter, Hazel. It's what you can prove that matters. 882 01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,160 (SHOUTING) I need you, Janet. Please. 883 01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,200 I thought I'd frightened you off. 884 01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:20,000 What are you doing? 885 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,240 I get the feeling that there's more that he wants to tell me. 886 01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,280 I think there are more bodies. 887 01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,920 I didn't kill Anna. Believe me, Janet. 888 01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:32,240 She guided me through you. I don't know what you're talking about. 889 01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:39,600 Rose isn't even here. No, but she's in here. She's in here. 890 01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,640 For your own peace of mind, stop. 891 01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,000 I can't. 892 01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:17,880 itfc subtitles